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Maria Pia Gardini – Declaration 1

March 12, 2006 by 
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Experiences on the Operating Thetan Levels

I, Maria Pia Gardini declare as follows:

1. I am over the age of 18 years.

2. The statements herein are of my own personal knowledge and if called upon as a witness, I can testify competently thereto.

3. My name is Maria Pia Gardini. I am an Italian citizen.

4. I became involved in Scientology through the Narconon program. My daughter went into the program and at this time she gave me some books to read about Scientology. After 8 months or so she finished her program and told me she wanted to continue studying Scientology. My mother and I paid for her auditing up to OT VII.

5. After she was on the OT levels, she convinced me to meet some of the people in the Rome org. They convinced me to do the purification rundown and to try auditing, so I bought one intensive of “book one” auditing.

6. I started the purification rundown: on the second day I blew (left suddenly) the sauna. I was scared to death of being in the heat for four to five hours. I was 49 years old and felt I would die. Members of the org came to my home and convinced me to return and keep doing it. They said I was just going through something and if I continued, I would get out of it. So, I returned and finished the rundown. I quickly told them I was done, and I was done.

7. I then started the auditing. My father was dead and I had always been sad about his death. When I started auditing, my auditor was a very warm and kind woman and we audited almost the whole 12 hours that I had purchased on my father’s death. I went through a lot of emotions talking about his death, crying and laughing and at the end I did feel better.

8. I then decided to continue. I wanted to buy another intensive, but I was regged to buy 10 intensives more of book one auditing. Meanwhile, they also sold me an academy package so I could study to myself become an auditor. Soon, I was getting auditing 3-4 hours a day and studying an additional several hours a day.

9. When I attested the completion of book one, I was told I had to continue to handle the many more areas of my life. I then bought all the Scientology Grades auditing plus NED (New Era Dianetics.)

10. I started on the objectives. This was the first failure for me. Doing a drill called “Op Pro by Dup” involving repetitive actions with a book and bottle, I became so upset I threw the bottle at my auditor and tore up the book used in the auditing. The auditor had to physically restrain me to keep me in the room.

11. Before I had just done auditing where I had talked a lot, so of course one will feel better talking about their problems. Now, this was something different.

12. I ended up slapping the auditor and running from the room. I ran home and that evening four staff members came to get me. They explained to me that I had lost control and if I finished the auditing I would regain control. I returned with them and finished the auditing.

13. I then audited the Grades 0-IV. I did not have any great achievements during these. It was just sit there and listen and talk to the auditor. I told the C/S that I didn’t have any “wins” on this (I in fact told everyone this), but they reminded me that I had had a lot of wins before on my book one and the grades were just to stabilize me for my OT levels. They told me to just continue.

14. Then, they tried to audit me on NED, but after all the hours of book one I was desperate…I had already talked about everything! I became sick and was interviewed by someone who said I had to do the CCRD. I had paid for 12 ½ hours of NED and audited for 25 minutes. When I tried to get the money back for these unused hours they said no, I paid for the intensive and I had started it. So that was the end of that money (about $2000.)

15. I then went to Rome and while I was there a “mission” arrived from CLO Italy to recruit people into the Sea Organization (SO.) They wanted me to join and worked very hard on me. I agreed and they gave me a contract for 1 billion years.

16. In the mean time I had done the class IV internship. They now wanted me to start in the SO, but I wanted to go attest to clear first. I bought CCRD in Copenhagen AOSH and went to do it. I was told, because I was a Sea Org member the room and board would be free. When I arrived, I was told “Free? CLO Italy doesn’t have any money on account here.” I had to pay for myself.

17. They put me in a hotel that was owned by the church called “Nordland.” It was like a pigsty; so dirty. I found one room that was less dirty than the others and did not have other people in it.

18. At this point I was now a class V auditor. It was terrible in Copenhagen. I was given an auditor who was Swiss German who did not speak Italian, but something similar. I started eligibility with him and the session went on and on and on because I could not understand him. I was supposed to stay there two weeks but was there two months. Then, I was told I had to buy more intensives. I explained the language problem, so they switched auditors. He spoke good Italian, so I finished eligibility in two hours then moved to the CCRD. I then attested to clear.

19. Clear is supposed to be an expanded person. I did not feel this. I really wanted badly to go back to Italy. When I did go back, I simply changed suitcases and went to Milano to train for the Sea Org.

20. Now, I was put in the kitchen to cook for 70 staff members. This was terrible. Then, they wanted me to wash dishes. I said no. I never have washed dishes in my life. I had my car there so I left again. I went back home for 2 days before they came and got me. This whole time my daughter was progressing in Scientology. She was at Flag and I was afraid that they would tell her I was misbehaving and she would be upset with me. So, I went back.

When I went back, they told me I was done with the first phase of my training.

21. I then told them I had to go back to Rome to close up the house. In Rome, there was another mission to get people to do the OT levels in Copenhagen. I bought a package for OT I-III. I wrote for permission to do these levels instead of going to work. I received this permission and went to Copenhagen to do my OT levels.

22. While I was doing my levels in Copenhagen, I was paying my own room and board and then they asked me to start auditing their pcs.

23. I went onto OT I. It was bullshit. You walked around by yourself and “spotted” things.

24. In the middle of it I went into a coffee shop…I expanded myself on good coffee. After a couple of hours I went back and they asked me if I had any wins. I said, “sure sure,” so they sent me to attest to being done.

25. The next day I started doing OT II. On this you run dichotomies. You have a long list of whole track implants like electric implants and talking implants etc. You have to run down the track to run them out. It is solo auditing and it is done by talking aloud to yourself.

26. When I went in session, I hade to spot a light and from there run the implant. Then, I read my meter and ran back and forth the dichotomies of the implant. While doing this I was in a place where thin dividers divided the walls and you could hear other people running their implants. Also, the wall was painted black and I couldn’t see the light. I wrote the C/S and asked him “Where is the light!”

27. The next day trying to audit, there was a circus behind the building and I could hear the elephant. The next day I wrote I could not find the light, but I did find the elephant.

28. In the end, I ran off three implants, said I could find no more and asked to move on. I then attested to OT II. I also did the old clearing course and OT II is this same thing manipulated around a bit.

29. Now, I start OT III. This is what I really wanted, what all of us Scientologists wanted. It is the big mystery: the Wall of Fire.

30. I opened the course materials, read what was before me, and closed the book. This was the wall of fire? I had already read this.

31. At this time, I was a huge science fiction fan. Now, I was racking my brain about this story about Xenu and the battle with the loyal officers. I had heard this story before but could not remember where. The story involves an “evil galactic overlord” named Xenu who was captured 75 million years ago and put into an electric trap, and you have these electric strips, like in the department stores, and LRH tells you that beings (called thetans) were brought to the planet earth back then and trapped with these electronic strips and put into a volcano then blown up and they are now stuck all over people’s bodies. Now, I feel that I have a full population in my body! There were people in the room passing out when reading this. I am not so impressionable.

32. That night when I went to bed I was wondering where are all these beings (now called body thetans) in my body?

33. The day after studying about OT III, I started to audit it in my bedroom in the Nordland hotel. You are supposed to talk to your body thetans and make them go away from you. Each night I took my auditing folder to the C/S, carrying it in a suitcase with a chain attached to my wrist. We had to do this to ensure the confidentiality of the very secret materials.

34. When I did my first session, my needle was stuck. I got so angry that the needle started to move. Then I said, “I found a body thetan,” and started to audit. I think I was auditing my rage.

35. I audited 100 hours on OT III. This was a lot; almost double what many people audit, but I wanted to be certain that I had all of these body thetans gone. The “End Phenomenon” of OT III is that all of your body thetans are now gone. So, I was convinced all my body thetans were gone and I attested to being finished with OT III.

36. Now, I said, I will go back to my post in Italy. No, I am told, I must stay and do OT IV and V. I say I do not have the money in Copenhagen to pay for these levels. That night, from 8:00 p.m. to 6:00 a.m. they regged me to purchase these OT levels.

37. I finally called my mother to borrow money and she was very angry with me, but she did send me the money. So, now I start OT IV.

38. What do I read in the OT IV materials? That I now have to handle “Body Thetan Clusters. I said what? More BTs? I was told yes, now I am handling drugs on the “whole track”: all drugs I ever did and the drugs the body thetans did. These body thetans, you see, were not gone after OT III because they were “druggies.” Ok, I said. Let’s get rid of the druggie body thetans.

39. I did this level and attested that I was now free from druggie body thetans.

40. Now, I go to do OT V. An auditor audits this. I get an HCOB to read and what is in this HCOB? BT’s and clusters! I say, “I don’t have any more!” and he says, “Yes you have. These BT’s are sleeping and you have to wake them up. Then you give them an identity and they will go away.”

41. I now figured what the hell. I had done OT IV; let’s do V. At this time you have to make up things to keep yourself going.

42. So, the auditor command is “Look at your body (not with your eyes) and locate a cluster.” When the auditor gets a read he says, “Where is this?” I say, “On the knee!” I then had to telepathically communicate with the BT and ask it “What are you?” The BT says, “a banana.” You tell the auditor “a banana.” Or it says, “a piece of paper” or whatever comes into your head and the auditor says “Ok…tell him that is the item;” for example “The banana is the item.” I tell him the item is the banana and at that point the BT can blow or he can stay there. If he doesn’t blow on the “What” question you ask him “Who are you?” You get all sorts of names here: Napoleon, Julius Caesar, John Travolta, whoever! You tell all these to the auditor. He gets a read and tells you which name is the right one. Then the BT will blow. These are the only two commands.

43. I did this for 40 hours. Then, I attested to OT V.

44. While I had been auditing, there was a raid in Italy and all of the organizations were closed. When I returned to Italy after OT V, the entire org of Roma had moved into my apartment (they had called me in Copenhagen and asked to move into my apartment.) I had instructed my building superintendent to let them in but to not give them a key. They somehow got a key and made a copy anyway. They were there all the time…the whole building was protesting.

45. So, when I returned, I made them leave. I found them another apartment and paid for the first two months of rent. It took five days for a cleaning company to clean my apartment, it was such a mess.

46. Now, I went to CLO in Milano to work. They were working in a hotel because they had lost their building to the government. I wondered what the hell I was doing there. I had no job to do. We had Int (International Management) missions in to handle the problems while I was paying the hotel for everyone in CLO. I figured I would go on to do OT VI and OT VII. One of my seniors thought this would be good for me to do. At this moment, I was running out of money. So, to do these levels I sold my apartment in Rome. My mother was very, very angry with this. She told me I was crazy and they will ruin me. She was right.

47. Now, I come to Flag. Again, I was supposed to get room and board because I was a staff member. Bah. No room and board! I have again to pay for myself.

48. I now go onto the OT VI course and what is there? BODY THETANS AND CLUSTERS! The questions were the same two as on OT V. “What” and “Who.” I almost went nuts. When I protested I was told it was the same procedure but the fact that I was doing it solo made it different and better. They told me that body thetans were everywhere. The materials also explained that my body was not a body at all, but a mass of BT clusters. If they were not there, my body would be translucent.

49. I went into session on OT VI. At the end, I attested that I had completed OT VI, not that I had no more BTs.

50. Now, I moved to OT VII. Now, the end phenomenon of this level is: NO BT’S LEFT OF ANY KIND. NO SLEEPING BTS’ NO DRUGGIE BT’S NOTHING. One thing I audited on OT VII was suppressive BTs.

51. Sometimes, you have a BT that will blow only from your body to the door, so you have to mock up a scissors to cut the string that is keeping them attached to your body. Also, you have BTs in layers, so you have to mock up a hand to brush them off.

52. I never went to my home to audit; I stayed at the Sand Castle and audited for 8 months. When I wasn’t auditing I studied to be a class IX auditor and was auditing public pcs.

53. When I attested to OT VII, Captain Ron Norton called me. I was validated as being a class IX auditor and OT VII completion. What the hell was I going to do with it? They asked me to sign on to work at Flag and they would send another auditor to Italy to replace me. I told them to call my senior.

54. In Italy they were still trying to open up the orgs. My senior did agree, though I said I had to go back to Italy to finish up and prepare. I did this.

55. When I arrived to start working at Flag, I was told that they would put me in the Sand Castle hotel because there is no room at the Hacienda. The Sand Castle was dirty and had unbelievable cockroaches.

56. They told me I had to pay 10% of what a public would pay, since it was a public room. When they took me to the room there was no furniture, no bed nothing. I complained but was told it was too late at night to do anything. I was told to sleep in a chair. I said no, I just arrive after 10 hours of travel. It was February 8 and cold. I ended up sleeping on the carpet.

57. The next day I refused to go to work unless I received a bed. They then showed me a bed that had been outside in the garden; they were going to throw it away. It was so dirty I would not put my dog on that mattress. It had holes where rats had eaten it. I absolutely refused. I told them I would start work on Monday. I went to the store and bought myself a bed, blankets, chair and sheets. I had it all brought to the Sand Castle.

58. After one month, I was told they had a place in the Hacienda Gardens for me. So, I put my stuff together and they took me to the Hacienda. When they opened the door, I plugged my nose it stunk so badly. There were eight beds one atop of the other. At this point I said take me to the captain.

59. I went to the Captain and told him I will not live like this. I want to go back to Italy. He said no, we have a small apartment in the Hacienda that we rent. We will give it to you for half price. I agreed to this and paid $400 per month (this turned out to be full price.)

60. Now, I moved into this apartment. At the end of the first month, five other people were sleeping in this apartment. They were putting staff members in my paid for apartment. These people would eat my food and drink my water. I returned to the captain.

61. I said enough is enough. You broke all your promises and I want to go home. The captain told me to return to the Hacienda, wait three days and he will come visit me and we will take care of this.

62. In the mean time, I called an area realtor and arranged to purchase a condominium. By the time I met with the captain, I had my new home. At first, he told me no, I couldn’t stay off the base. I said it was this or nothing. He told me to write a CSW, which I did, and he approved it. Thus, I had special permission to live outside of sea org quarters.

63. So, I started to audit again. Then, there was a change of captains. Ron Norton went to Gold and Debbie Cook became the captain. This was in 1988.

When Debbie Cook became captain, my real problems started.

64. First, she wanted me to move back to the Hacienda, or she insisted that I share my condo with other staff members. I told her no to both. At this time, I was almost every week the auditor with the most hours in the chair and that year I won the worldwide highest auditing hours cup at the Auditors Day celebration. At this point, I was a money making machine for them.

65. I was always on the chair auditing. In September of 1990 I received a phone call from Italy saying my daughter was in the hospital in Pavia in Italy and I had to go to her at once. I CSW’d to go see her and it was approved.

66. I returned to Italy and two months later, my daughter died: November 18, 1990. She was 29 years old and an OT VII.

67. A bit before I left, however, I asked the senior C/S, Kathy Webb, to give me a program to audit my daughter because she was OT VII. This was to help her physically. The answer was, with AIDS, she will die. What program do you want? Give her a program to drop the body. Of course, I never did such a process on her. You don’t go to a sick person and say, “I give you a program to drop your body.”

68. Also in 1989 or 1990 they started releasing OT VIII. I was told to buy a package on the Freewinds because this is the only place OT VIII was delivered due to its extreme confidentiality. I bought a package, but then I went to Italy because of my daughter.

69. Two days after my daughter’s death, I took her to the cemetery to bury her in our family mausoleum. On this day, I was recalled to Flag. My daughter was not yet buried. Flag phoned me and spoke to my mother, who told them to fuck off and leave me alone and forget my phone number. She was heavily against Scientology.

70. When I spoke with them I told them my daughter had left a daughter of 11 years old, Camilla, and I could not leave immediately. The called me every day, several times a day to get me to come back immediately. They called with no regard to the 6-hour time difference between the USA and Italy. They would call at 4:00 a.m. and wake up the whole house of grieving people to demand my return.

71. On the 29th of November, 11 days after my daughter’s death, I returned to Flag. I left my granddaughter with her stepfather and my mother. When I returned to Flag I was very angry and the staff at Flag were astonished at this. They could not understand why I would be mad. I then went right back to work, but I was not able to produce as well as I had before. Because of this, they decided to send me to the ship to do my OT VIII.

72. The ship was in the Bahamas. I had to buy my own ticket to get there. When I arrived, I also had to pay for my own room and board. I didn’t want to sleep in the staff berthing below decks, as it was extremely hot down there, like 100 degrees. I could not do this. As soon as I arrived, instead of starting my own program I was put to work auditing others on their sec check for OT VII and OT VIII eligibility. I was very valuable to them as I could audit in three languages: English, Italian, and French.

73. Soon after I arrived, Milt Wolf, one of the ship captains, and David Light, a registrar, sat with me and regged me to buy books and materials. They also sold me a gold OT bracelet that cost thousands of dollars. They sat with me and would not let me go until I had bought and bought. I ended up buying an extra suitcase to carry all the materials I had bought. Eventually, I arrived in the course room to start OT VIII.

74. The OT VIII material was titled “Truth Revealed.” When I opened the materials and read the data, I went nuts. I couldn’t believe what I was reading. BODY THETANS!

75. Basically on OT VIII you run processes from the “History of Man” book, right down to clams. You have to go down the track to clam, figure out an overt, then locate a BT (not cluster; you communicate telepathically and figure out the overt, write it down and ask the BT with the meter: “Is it yours?” “Is it mine?” When you get a read, you indicate who’s it is and get an FN and move on. This is the truth revealed.

76. On all levels above OT III when you audit you always ask if the read is the person’s or the BT’s read.

77. I was so upset with OT VIII that I talked to the supervisor. She told me to just do it and I will be amazed at the wins I will have getting rid of overts off all the BTs from the whole track. I wanted to get out of there but there I was in the middle of the ocean. I was furious! I was just ordering BTs on a sec check (Scientology Security Check.)

78. The night I attested to OT VIII, I went ashore with some friends to see the casino in Nassau. Guess who was gambling there? David Miscavige, Guillame Leserve and Ray Mithoff. Isn’t gambling an overt in Scientology? When I saw this, I was ready to leave Scientology. Between the gambling and the OT VIII, it was like garbage. I wanted to leave, but this was very difficult.

79. When I was finished, (this was December 1990) I returned to Flag. Now, I was trying to figure out how to leave Scientology. The occasion came in October 1991 when I received a call that my mother was in hospital and very, very sick. Now, I could return to Italy.

80. I CSW’d to leave. My CSW was NOT approved. I went to the Captain to talk to her and she told me no, it was not important that my mother was dying. It was only a body. I must stay at Flag and produce for Scientology.

81. I again CSW’d to leave. Instead of giving it to the Captain, I gave it to my DofP (Director of Processing) for OT eligibility. Then, I went to my condo, packed my suitcase, went to the airport, bought a ticket and went to Italy.

82. I thought I would be declared a blow, but after four days in Italy I received, by fax, the CSW I had written. It was approved. My mother died December 11, 1991.

83. On the 21st of December, Flag started regging me for the money I was inheriting from my mother’s death. Please see my other affidavit for the completion of this story.

I declare under penalty of perjury under the laws of the United States of America and the state of Florida that the foregoing is true and correct.

Executed in Grosetto, Italy this 14th day of February 2001

Maria Pia Gardini



The cult’s top level…
( 1/ Ariane JACKSON answers about OT8: past text from 1996 in blue)
(2/ Answers from Ariane to questions in Feb and March 1998, black letters)
(3: my questions in italics)

RE: Re: …OT8?

First questions:

1. What security checks must be taken before the course?

Before starting OT8, I received a huge sec-check in Flag.

I got the 3D sec-check, an auditor sec check as I was a Class 6 auditor, and a tailor-made sec-check. After all those, I got a B of I with 3 ethics officers asking me questions. They made me feel as though I was a criminal.

2.What papers does one sign not to reveal anything?

The same docs which you sign before doing any OT level.

3.Are there frequent searches on you between courses, by instance when you come back to your room?
NO, as on OT8 you must to plug your course folder (to the electronically watched table) and give it back to the security guard.

4.Other specifics on the topic, like price, nr of hours, needed repairs before starting, FESes…)
Before starting I had to pay 4 intensives of sec-check in Flag, plus another one on the boat before starting OT8, plus the sec check you have to get after finishing OT8. OT 8 plus preps and FESes, was circa 50000 $.

5. Were you allowed to see your own pc-pre-OT folders before the auditing itself?
No. You never have access to any of your folders.

6. Do you accept to see your answers on the net?
You can put everything on the net, I have nothing to hide. If you want more details, ask me whatever questions you want.

My description is from memory, you’ll see that there is little to forget…

The new OT8 is in two parts A and B.

The part A is drilling and others trainings asked by a CS 53 (this action being supposed to find and “erase” the mental traumas from past auditings or life situations which could inhibit the auditing)

1.Could we say that those drills are done while auditing the CS 53? or is it auditing drills?
On the part A, one has to redo the whole series of e-meter drills, correction lists and C/S 53, that you have to audit solo before starting the real OT8 part.

2.What could be the justification to get back to this auditing lower levels? Does he give some?
Nothing; just that you have not yet finished the level.

3.Does one audit there BTs with a CS 53?
Yes: when I audited my CS 53, everything was flat, so, no new BTs.

The B Part asks to read “A history of the Man” and to be entirely checked on one’s understanding, then to study and audit solo on the new OT8.

1. Could you extend what you understood from that and its relationship with past auditings? – I don’t see myself any reason to get back on the Clams story or other “Fac 1″… it looks so crazy and without any technical relationship, a thing I am not used into the Hubbard’s series… Did he gave some justifications?
You don’t audit on clams or this sort of things. The only thing you do on OT8 is getting back on past auditing and to ask the “right or wrong” question on the identities you have run in past auditing. By instance, in your Dianetic auditing, you found being Maupassant: on OT8, you’ll ask ‘right’ or ‘wrong’ on this identity.

3. Is that done with sort of Listing and Nulling processes which could help to become aware of the absence of “identities” coming from lower levels, and which could therefore lead to the conclusion that those past lives did not exist?

No; no Listing and Nulling; only to remember past identities audited in past auditing.

You are not allowed to look in your folders to remember identities. Some persons responsible to deliver OT8 have been sent to the RPF because they suggested some methods to people they supervised. Having no oral instructions, we were not able to know what to do.
The first thing is a CS/53, then the C/S’s instructions are to:

1/ Fly a rud.

1.The ruds, it’s on you or on supposed BTs? It looks idiot enough, as from OT2 on, ruds have little weight, except on BTs…
When you fly a rud, you ask if the rud is out, and if it’s you or a BT or cluster.

2/ OT8 and its instructions do not vary during the rundown. This an exemple of what I did in a real session, what i wrote, as I had to write this down. I took the identity “Beethoven”, as I recalled to have believed being “Beethoven” during auditing. I looked the meter while asking “right” and “wrong”; no reaction on right, a fall on “wrong”. I had teherfeore not been Beethoven. I wrote down:

“Beethoven: right? X (X= no read)

“Beethoven: wrong? LF (long fall, an e-meter read) and F/N (F/N :free needle, that means that the action regarding Beethoven is finished and that I’m satisfied of it)

From every identities I checked on OT8, only one showed right.

1. Can we get the detail of the identity, why it could be right “technically” or “according your judgement”?
No. You ask the identity right or wrong and if you get a read on “right” on this identity, it’s a right one. Nothing else.

I was allowed to attest that I had finished when I got a big “cognition” about death. I was very afraid by death before, a fear never solved by past auditing. ON OT8, I realized that me, as a being, I would never been dead and that I was “totally outside” as scientologists would say.
I suppose (perhaps wrongly) that you could have done that sort of cognition half a dozen times before about death and onto your own permanency as a being – scienos speak so often from past lives! – did you get some really different feeling about that cog, that it could be linked to that specific process differently from the other ones you got before?

No. That OT8 level has stunned me a lot, because everything was so vague, and I was not alone to get that feeling.

Could that possibly be the possible cog of the level or a specific one for the level?
I’ve no opinion. The cog which influenced me to attest was on death, and I had a floating TA while coming to examiner.

I was therefore on OT8 , came back home, and fell very soon ill. Due to the cult’s boastings, OT8 are considered half-gods and must hide the problems and anomalies they get.
Some of the problems in OT8s: alcohol, homosexuality – (that scientology considers degrading and pervert praticed only by individuals having not enough worth to get ANY right into the society), out 2Ds affairs, voyeurism, criminality, infaction and divorce.
I have had some opportunities to study the “cases” of some of them and to speak to them, and i realizd I was far from alone to have problems.

1. Did you speak to the C/S that you were ill, or another ‘terminal’?
No. I did not speak to the C/S. But some times later every OT 8 having attested before the N° 500, I believe, were asked to come back urgently to the boat as there was out-tech, which explained why many were ill. I did not want to come back but I receivbed an order to go immediately on the Freewinds, otherwise I could have some ethics problems… On the boat I got a repair list which was a CS 53. Back home in *********, with a fantastic headache, and I was forced to get in bed.

2. Did they proposed whatever repair or ridicule handling that you accepted or refused?
Yes, The C/S 53 to have done on board.

3.Do you think that the illness was caused by the wrong indications or explanations of the OT8 tech?
For me it’s a mystery. What’s interesting is that I did OT8 with three other people, and came home first. When they went home one week later, they were ill, flu, headache, fever.

4. Did that reinforced or make appear some inabilities, as I have been able to observe on more than one OT on OT3 or NOTs?

This is indeed important: do you believe that a great number of OT8 have spoken together -perhaps without authorization- of their processes, cogs etc?
I cannot answer.. you know, that OT being the super-level, we were looked at as superior beings, therefore we were hiding our disappointments, doubts…

2. Did you see other similarties than those mentioned?
Yes, more or less. Did you know Veronique Pizzinat? When I went on my review/repair, I was in her room. She was on the boat since perhaps 3 months on OT8, wholly hallucinatiing.
She wanted to borrow 10000$, and said that with the abilities she had back from OT8, she could get those 10000$ just before the Reg, but that she did not want to do it, to not make him/her afraid. Inepties of this sort, I saw many on people having done OT8.

1. Could you develop, by instance; would you think that those having not leaved scientology before (ot8) are those who, perhaps, have had bad auditing up to that point?
It is difficult to answer that question. Perhpas are they those people responding the best to brainwashing, those who do not think much. A great lot of courage is needed to leave scientology, even more when you are high on the “Bridge”.

2. Or do you think that they could be yet to straighten some criter never solved despite hubbardian allegations?

3. Other idea on this? (did you get the same feeling on OT8 than when pcs or pre-OTs were speaking of their auditing before, that is, that they were afraid to really expose their cogs etc? Other ideas on this?

Yes, I got that feeling. When I did OT8, each morning, we had to have a meeting on the deck and say our last day cogs, and i can assure you it was not easy for many, or they were those stupid cogs, like getting the rain raining on this area having not had any since months…

I am sorry not to have answered sooner, but I was on exams for the last semester? Now I’m on holidays for two weeks, so, if you have some questions… I’m not at all annoyed to speak of this.

When I ‘m looking backway, I do not understand how I could have been so stupid to let others manipulate me this way; having been so anxious about ethics and having allowed them to lead my life, having loist my children for them, everything I have accepted for nothing in the long run. So, if my experience can stop some others to make the same stupid things, I’d have not lost everything.

Last questions:
1.did you get or saw some others getting “ethics handlings” before or whilst the OT8 run? sec-checks during auditing, people ill, etc…
Before starting OT8, on the boat, every futire OT8 go to the Ethics Officer, and if he thinks they are some ethics handlings to do before starting OT8, this is done. There is also a sec-check before starting it. You know, when I did OT8, we were only 5 or 6, very few…

2. Were there repair lists done by auditors, not in solo, for some overwhelms, and were those list billed in supplement?
Sure indeed! Veronique Pizzinat, the wife of Dominique, (Ecole du Rythme – they divorced since) had to do many repair lists and to pay intensives, as she got auditing from an auditor.

3. Could you estimate the average duration of
A/ the theory course and
Theory is circa one week long

B/ Time needed by people to audit on it?
Between one and two weeks

C/ how many pasges for the theory?
The A section theory, some 20 pages. Every e-meter drills, plus repair lists. Section B: 2 or 3 pages.

(the two last questions, added with the ante-last qlist of questions)
Regarding everything that you experienced, do you really believe that Ron -or even Mayo – could have written something so contradicting the levels before?
(I would have supposed that he could jump to another more or less craziness like the Wall of Fire TERTIO, or auditing of the OTs dreams with a new tech, or whatever could be the sort of LRH -or Mayo- thing ; but this search for wrong identities looks really very contradictory to all the past techs, this is the reason of that question upon the SOURCE, pehraps not LRH or Mayo?
Hard to answer: the bulletins I’ve read on OT8 looked the Hubbard’s style. You could ask Vaughn Young, he knows him, having worked for him.

Thanks very much for your memory efforts! this OT8 affair looks so strange when compared to the remaining which was already absurd, but at least, deserved some merit for its incredibility, that this come-back to old receipts could indicate a faked level from a Miscavige, or an auditor not believing in what he lived till now…

Last of last

Do you really believe possible that they are levl OT 9 to 15, and would you have any idea seeming “logical” as to what those levels could be, after all this?
I am strongly in doubt about any possible upper levels; OT8 was seen some ten years before, and just observe the numerous prerequisites now needed to go onto OT 9: SHSBC, and certainly much more. Certainly Miscavige tries desperately to prepare an OT9 since many years, but without succeeding…

That was that, Roger
Friendly, Ariane

Ariane Jackson, September 1996.- Ariane Jackson Feb-March 98




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Hola amigos, a continuacion les voy a dar la regla numero uno, la regla de oro, la que no se debe ignorar nunca, la que te permite utilizar tu estudio como una herramienta para prosperar como ser humano valioso y para no exagerar te voy a decir simplemente que.


Bien, al estudiar, siempre consulta las dos verciones de la persona en cuestion o del tema en cuestion. Tu no puedes hacer un juicio justo si no atiendes imparcialmente los argumentos de las dos partes en conflicto. En el estudio esto quiere decir que debes buscar la verdad sin dejarte influenciar por personas interesadas en sacarte provecho. Esto solo se logra investigando sin juicio previo lo que cada parte tiene que decir y la verdad flota solita de esa observacion imparcial. Investigar sin juicio previo significa leer y preguntar a las personas que opinan diferente.

Recuerda esto cada vez que alguna persona te prohiba estudiar la otra cara de la moneda. Esa persona te quiere controlar para sus propios fines y provecho.

Con mucho aprecio:

Rafael Sanchez Nuñez

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Las personas son importantes, los objetos no

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Hola amigos, a continuacion el articulo numero dos sobre como estudiar. Pues bien, quiero decirte que al estudiar siempre tomes en cuenta de que manera el material de estudio puede afectar A LA MAYORIA DE LAS PERSONAS, por que solo una minoria estan espiritualmente enfermas,  siempre debes consultar lo que por SENTIDO COMUN la mayoria de las personas SELECCIONADAS AL AZAR opinan sobre ese tema que estas estudiando. Lo mas probable es que el sentido comun de la mayoria te indique cual es la verdad o falsedad de la teoria que estas estudiando. Las personas tenemos un sentido innato de la verdad y si tienes el cuidado de investigar con encuestas ( aun que sean informales ) lo que un publico no seleccionado de antemano tienen que decir al respecto pues podras guiar tu buen juicio apropiadamente.


Y ante todo recuerda, las personas son importantes, los objetos y cuerpos no.


Rafael Sanchez Nuñez

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